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Gourneyras, October 2008

 

Participants:

Team: Robin, Roland mit Jacqueline, Arne, Manu, Peter, Tibor, Tim mit Katharina, Tobi mit Jodith

Friends: Markus Osswald, Carsten Richardt, Tobi Ziegler, Nicola Joa, Albert Allmang, Fred Petzinger

Because since the last meeting of the team again some time had passed, met the Cavebase of 7 - 9 November, on Lake Starnberg. At the meeting we had some interested parties are invited to get to know and to be able to go scuba diving together.

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We were lucky and the conditions were great! Between 15 and 30m visibility.


The pool at the Gourneyras


It lacked some 5m to the normal water level. But the vision had to be good in the sight!


Robin will check for the Arne TG dressed ;-)


Robin at the sink


Marc is delighted as secure as a king over the snow Perfect vision


Robin comes back out, you can see it already quite small. On the site it has about 9m!


Whether Marc here is the coldness of the water suggests, hihihihihi ....


Around the pool is not really a flat place to find :-(

Although you can view even at 30m in some places does not illuminate the cave, but it gave entirely.

After the check dive we had on the road, or on the dirt unloaded our cars. Unbelievable that so much equipment in a car :-)

Overall, 1 had Habitat, 2 double frames RB, 7 mono RB frames, 5 D12/D18, 14 scooters, 70 Stages, 2x 84AH Heiztanks, 2x 44AH Heiztanks, 5x 18ah Heiztanks and just a lot of "attachments" such as vending machines, etc. . there.


Go down to the point we build on the cable car


All required equipment was unloaded from the cars. In front you can see a few of the mono-frame RB, behind a Heiztank, habitat, etc., etc.


A few scooters and transport tonne


2-3 stages and Roland's D12

After unloading, we directed our first Quatier On. Part slept in the buses, some built their tents.


At the camp arrived first made Tobi firewood :-)


The next morning, here it freezes well .... somebody

The construction of the ropeway and the abseil went relatively smoothly. However, we had a rope to a slightly thick rope - that continually scrubs the rope brake. The somewhat annoying, but it went anyway. Whether the long-on was so good, it would still show :-(


When you fix the carrying rope (cable), you can still see the back Roland to the wire, the steel cable


The rope was "Installed"


The habitat had to be the first and was saddled with abgeseilt


2 man of the upper cable car crew


... and a scooter disappear down


Marc fill in the transportation tonne which Robin Schwieger his mom had stolen :-)


RB A double-frame depends on the hook


Since we had forgotten the harness, Marc has his Backplate rebuilt. Below you can see a lot more equipment


At the midday break filled our Rebreather, Arne here and Roland


In the afternoon it looked quite knew from the source pool


Towards evening, the habitat is still in the cave Installs. Due to the low water level, we could only 8.3 m rather than put 9m

The next day, only had very little stuff with the cable car down. So that the first team, Marc and Arne, equal in their TG could make. The two had the task to about 1.000m to dive and the rope until then to fix and repararieren. Up to the point the line was extremely violent situation. Marc and Arne were approximately 6h in water at its TG.


Fortunately it had not rained and the equipment we have in the pool "to miss" had was still there


Marc and Arne are preparing for their dives before. Links you can see the table of Roland retired with the double-Frame RB


Roland in the waders in the construction of a double Rebreathers


Robin at the same on the other side


Arne and Marc just before the dive


Altherr Sun chairs are already practically :-) Rolands left and right Robins

TG Review

Robin & Roland

TG Total Duration: 820 minutes

Maximum depth: 98.8 m

During the session Roland and I directed our double-RB Riggs retired to the tables in the pool and introduced the mandatory checks standardized RB and reviewed again by all the other equipment components.

In order to save space, we had lecture on all stages with the machines; and sorted into "packages" in the cave pool placed here so that we also check with the Bubble finished and the machines would possibly be able to exchange. The total of 14 scooters in the pool were also "parked".

After the double-configured and tested sets were led Roland and I have a short setup OC Trimix dives with a 21/35 for the following day. A Dekogas for this short Bouncedive we have renounced.

Tim and Marc had us on the eve already 2 x 80 cf Stages with the 50/25 to 21 m in the cave deposits, so that we are now depending the diver with the deep Dekogas Trimix 25/45 (80 cf / 7 L), 3 x 80 cf Trimixstages (1 x 15/60, 2 x 12/75), 3 x Magnum Scooter and JE1 x AH Heizröhre with 84 placed in the cave.

First we hung each 2 x 80 cf Stages and O2 with an 80 cf stage with a Trimix Breakgas than 17/55 and a small Heizröhre with 18 Ah and a weight belt on from Habitat. Then we placed 6 Magnum Scooter at 36 m on a leash and they checked out again. Here we noticed that in one of Roland's Scooter of the pitch was a little overexcited and do not move left, the question we took Scooter with up and directed it with a few handles.

The large Heizröhre with the 84 Ah and the deep Dekogas with the 25/45, we placed approximately 150 m into the cave to nearly 51 m depth. Due to the very low water level (it is missing about 5-6 meters!) Would have at this point really have to be 54 m. So we decided that we have the next day the Trimix 25/45 on the way forward into the cave again, and upon reaching the 54 m mark to be off again.

Then we slowly emerged and took on the way up towards the water surface is no longer required by Arne Equipment, Marc, and Peter Manu and Tim in the form of some scooters, Trimixstages, Dekogasen with in the pool because they are in the meantime the deco of their dives were. (see other reports)

Then, we support the girls and boys when disembarking from the water and then store the equipment.

Towards evening were a few packages scooters, batteries, lamps and other minutiae of the top cable car transported and loaded.

Then there was a more extensive course and barbecue at the campfire, under the leadership of Arne. He leaves no other on the grill and enjoyed each time to "perceived" 5 m high stitch flames, he with the barbecue lighter "magic". During lunch we discussed the process and the timing of tomorrow's day and the dive by Roland & Robin and distributed the tasks.

Then it went to 22:00 time in bed to the next morning to get up at 7:00 (No, we are now really no early birds, and occasionally like to dive in to the night)

The next morning we completed our first store on carbohydrate, Roland preferred a strong noodle soup, Robin amused with pasta and tomato sauce. It costs but also each time a certain overcome at this time to eat pasta.

Towards 8:30, we were then at the cave and were pooled by Manu and Arne and Marc when creating the pool Doppelrebreather supported.


Arne and Marc Roland at helping create the double Rebreathers


Here you can see the Manu Robin helps

Previously we checked out a few words Heizhemden regarding the functionality, the pluggten Stages with Trimix 35/35 in the switch block of the sets and breathed the Scrubber few minutes. Robin used to dive next to the Bailouttanks fixed with straps 14 cf tank argon an additional 14 cf Argon days, with a Boltsnap to the left chest D-ring was angeklippt. In the known cave is a profile Out of argon is not an option.


Both finished just yet Stages and create los gehts


Why do both from the same :-)



We adopted us from the team and finally appeared in a huge cave from.


Endlich gehts los

The viewing conditions were excellent at approximately 20-25 meters, sometimes 30 meters visibility. We briefly checked out again the habitat and the ensuing stages and fixed at 21 m deposited with the stages 50/25. At 36 m droppten we Stages with the 35/35 and switched to the "Shallow" Trimixstage with the 15/60, which we to a depth of 75 m for the first km to use, as each took for 2 with a Trimixstages 110 m in the form of a gas Trimix 12/75 and 3 each in Magnum Scooter. So from now on, we were each with 3 Trimixstages and 3 scooters on the road. Then made a quick check of the Backuprebreathers and it was already happening. We pushed on the trigger and followed the course profile madness. After a very short time we reached our day in advance deposited 84 Ah Heizröhren and stages with the Trimix 25/45 which we as deep Dekogas from 54 m depth wanted to use. We decided to Heiztanks there to 51 m respectively, and took only the stages on. After a few minutes we finally reached the 54 m mark, and put at a suitable location, and the stages at the diving board argon days.

It was hardly possible to all parts of the cave auszuleuchten we followed the course profile and scooterten side by side and really enjoyed this beautiful cave. After not even 30 minutes on the trigger, we finally reached the area of the cave, where 70-75 m from the field to a depth of approximately 100 m drops. The ground was only dimly visible, the ceiling is not visible.

We deposited here each stage with the 75 m and a gas scooter Magnum on a leash, and switched on the first of the two accompanying Trimixstages with Trimix 12/75 and scooterten down the giant shaft and reached a maximum depth from 98.8 m.

Until her here was the line situation is chaotic, but by the work of Marc and Arne no problem the right way. After a short time should be different. It was torn and the line hung loose in the course profile, without a leash continue to recognize was that we connected on a leash reel end and one of us was looking for the continuation of the course profile, after the continuation or the other end of rope were found, we connected the line to the existing line. The course profile rose quickly to about 80 m and from here it only existed only by Micha and Reinhard moved leash, but unfortunately steadily over greater distances, sometimes interrupted, so that we on the one hand, laboriously found lines connected or if the continuation of the line was not clear again the reel and connected to the cave scooterten.

The leash of Micha and Reinhard was with distance markers (yellow tape), so that you had a good overview.

One of us scooterte alternately advance and lights off and explored the further continuation of the course profile, the other anxious and put leash tie-offs and placements.

Finally, the cave fell again to about 90 m and again we found the line of Micha and Reinhard and our line connected to this.

We scooterten rapidly the course profile and below the line and reached a shaft on the rapidly to a depth of about 70 m lead. After a few minutes on the trigger was the line again without a broken line was continued to recognize. We konnektieren the reel again and let us once again of the scooters in a shaft at about 93 m, and followed the tunnel and moved leash. After a few minutes on the trigger, we found again the old-liners continue and this combined with our line. The permanent fix, and neuverlegen knot of leash and seek further course of the cost curve corresponding period. Since we have for the decompression from a saturation profile box, it was us the depth and time regardless of reason, since the decompression is increasing basic time and regardless of the depth is no longer significantly changing.

These up and downs of the cave led course in which we use counter-lung ratio of 1:10 to a correspondingly higher gas consumption.

The profile of the cave gradually increased initially to about 85 m, then to 75 m, and then relatively rapidly to 45 m upward. The fact that we breached the Dekoceiling are not bothered us because we are on the way back here again and would re-emerging bubbles in solution would force or shrink again. The cave was a bit further on and we reached a depth of 52 m.

Here was once the line is cracked and the cave looked as this would increase further, since Robin still about 50 bar in the first Trimixstage and we had this limit as one of the reversal criteria defined, we finished the dive in the deep part minutes at 170th

It would have been at the further increase and thus the return of the waste re-depth profile in the consequence definitely means alternatively to the second-Trimixstage for the return trip was planned to go back or even the package with the D20 back to bite. Because the gas in the back as a package Safetygas used to inflate and out of the Wings will not be touched, this was not an option for us dar. knowing that we at the end of the leash Micha and Reinhard at our first dive was within reach, it was then just good for today.


We have attached a cookie on a leash and scooterten - the now continuous line below - comfortably out of the cave and looked after us side passages and other ways to further gear to continue. Some significant figures, we will soon start again and this detail. We both believe that it goes further!

It's been madness, even at about 20 meters of visibility in the deep part of the cave in its dimension ausleuchtbar almost complete and it is the other wall section can hardly recognize what the other sequels are looking for is not just easy.

On the way back was now significantly faster and at 220 in minutes, we reached the TG Stages deposited with the 75m gas and the two magnum scooter.We switched to the stage with the Trimix 15/60 and stored on each of the scooter and other scooters loaded again. Scooter The third was during the entire dive is not in use and served only as a backup scooter.

Following some Deepstops followed and we finally scooterten from the cave. At 290 minutes, we reached our Stage stored at 54 m with the deep Dekogas (Trimix 25/45) and switched to these. The reason was not that long and was a total of 270 min

At 51 m, we switched on our Heizröhren them.

We extracted ourselves up and on the 48 m Arne came forward and Tim already receive from above. A short okay and the two were already there and rid us of the equipment no longer needed in the form of the 6 Scooter, 4 Trimixstages and Reels. We kept one Trimixstage for deeper Gasbreaks, which we implemented on the Rebreather extracted with us and we continue upwards.

Robin & Tim Arne wrote the planned Dekoprocedere in the Wetnotes and ripped the page out and gave it with the two. Thus, all parties had the exact plan and knew exactly when we arrive at what Dekostufe and when we want in the habitat.

From 39 m, we began with Gasbreaks with Trimix 15/60 to the lungs for subsequent Dekopression life. The Gasbreaks were regarded as full Dekozeit and did not lead to the extension of the decompression.

In between, we have repeatedly made the stored potable drinking pouches, and while we nachhydriert longingly at the habitat were pleased.

In between came Arne and Tim always times again and took the meantime no longer needed with Dekogasstages upwards and checked with us if everything was OK.

Approximately 20 minutes before the end of the 12m Dekostufe met the Habitat crew, and prepared everything before.

At 600 minutes, we were then included in the habitat to 8.5 m and enter the result on the Habitat stored on Trimix 17/55 a 15 min continuous Gasbreak through.

Roland has served as the first and climbed into the habitat after him from the Doppelrebreather helped, and the weight belt was created. Robin came next turn. Honestly be said that we should practice again ;-)

As we both sat in the habitat, we ended the first Gasbreak and moved to the O2. Gasbreaks were now in the habitat in the ratio 12:8 (O2: Breakgas), in between, there was pasta with tuna and tuna like creative with tomato sauce and plenty to drink.

The 6 m Dekostufe was fully completed at 9 m and 9 m stop completely from the calculated Dekoprofil deleted. We stayed in the Habitat 180 min and had plenty of time to chat.
For the decoration, we would surely ran Aggressive can go, but by the seclusion of the cave (there is also no mobile phone), we had to "Hasenfußvariante decided :-)

The habitat was unfortunately due to the low water level and the absence of a suitable location for placement on the ceiling at 8.3 m only what we do not bother. Before leaving the habitat, we have a 15 minute Gasbreak on Trimix and left one after the other with the help of Marc, Arne and Manu dived and the habitat at dive minutes at 820 in the pool.


Profile: Roland & Robin

Robin & Roland

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TG Review

Tim, Manu, Peter

TG Total Duration: 210 minutes

Max Depth: 68m

Gases: Manu and Peter: BG 18/45, 50/25 DG and O2, Tim BG 15/55, DG 35/35, 50/25 and O2, all with PSC-rebreathers and scooters equipped.

Since Tim's buddy was out, he came with us. Our understanding of our target (scooters until shaft) and agreed with us because of the gases and from Dekostrategie.

Briefing

After extensive briefing (reversal criteria Dekostrategie, team orders, TG expiration) fell into the water there and we made our Predivechecks on water, emerged from the UW checks completed and submitted to the O2 on 6m, the first Dekogas to 21m and Tim his third gas at 36m from.


The pool with decorative Equipment

The dive

The finger on the trigger it went into pure darkness. The profile of the cave is impressive: In the beginning, ceiling and floor are still in parallel at a distance of about 10m, until the ceiling in the horizontal transfer and the cross section grows. The view was really good, but often enough because of the sometimes overwhelming dimensions from all the walls and ceiling of the leash out to see. Behind the first rise, we were already HID points meet, which had to be Marc and Arne. Both teams fell short of the trigger and enjoyed the visual spectacle, as the contour of the dome against the oncoming of the HIDS team emerged. A short exchange of OK with laser swords and then went for us. Since the line situation in this part of the cave to say something is chaotic (part three more or less parallel lines, scraps of rope hanging from the ceiling, T's in the peak angle of the ceiling on the deeper lines come), was there a useful strategy to find how could we ensure that we are using a leash to the back would Rausweg: We opted for the white cable, since it is colored by the different lines and never seemed torn. After about 30 minutes leisurely Scooterns we came to the shaft, which went down to 60m, just to see us and go back home, because the planned ground time was over.

Again at the entrance, we see about us first and Arne Marc decoration in green on the blue backlight of the entrance portal and about Roland and Robin at the setup for your dive. A great feeling, the whole team together while diving to see!

Deko

After we came Deepstops at 27m to Marc and Arne, but because we base our shorter time and lower depth were soon among us. The decoration was relatively uneventful, except for the fact that Peters Rebi sporadic anfingt the bubble, so he opened the Deko absaß to no risk: The mouthpiece was indented, and so blithely ran at the end of water in the Loop. But it is safe, and since the reason for the noise is not properly UW could be clarified, it was the safe decision.


Manu beim Rödeln

After the dive

After a slow exchange we drove a bit in the pool, relaxing and talking about the dive and our impressions of the device before we still have water stored on land and even made a little break.

The cave is a result of your overwhelming dimensions, but there are also many fine details to discover. The shaft, which marked our reversal point, is breathtaking. The walls above the bay are some washed out, so they just invite once in a circle around to zap.

Toll is to see how well we as a team together klarkamen: We were together only once previously dipped, but there were no ambiguities or coordination problems, as we in the entire team Cavebase strict common standards what equipment and practices have on the DIR - principles. Thus, the friction loss negligible.


Profile: Tim, Manu, Peter

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Then a few more pictures, unsorted!